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  1. yamajammer76

    Bought a new AC Riot today

    After 8 years my Viper MTX 141" was just getting to the point it's either trading time or soon I'd need to start investing money into it. It was a good sled, but I always wanted something a bit easier to handle for Black Hills trails and off trail. I started on Cat and rode them until I had 3...
  2. yamajammer76

    New Vid from Yamaha -

    The fact is there was no product pipeline after the 2017 Sidewinder launched. What happened about 4 months after the new Sidewinder showed up in dealerships? Arctic Cat Inc. was purchased by Textron January 25, 2017. It was game over at that point for Yamaha since all the work they did on the...
  3. yamajammer76

    any good insight on if yamaha was working on any thing ?

    There was no new in-house chassis development after the 2008 Nytro. The existing Japanese stuff saw a few improvements, but work stopped on future development. The Arctic Cat joint venture was at first just supposed to an alternative offering to their in-house models, but later it was all they...
  4. yamajammer76

    Yamaha done with sleds

    When I has my Nytro my knees used to hurt so bad after a long day on it. My knees don't hurt at all on my Viper so it needed work.
  5. yamajammer76

    Yamaha done with sleds

    Actually the whole decision to exit the snowmobile business was a lot simpler decision for them, but they are not going to put the truth into a press release. They no longer have a North American engineering team in place after shutting down all R&D in mid 2021. They no longer have any...
  6. yamajammer76

    2025 Yamaha Snowmobile Speculation

    Yamaha corporate would have closed up the snowmobile division after the 2024 model year if there wasn't a contract with Cat still in place they needed to finish out. There will be little to no effort put into the 2025 model year.
  7. yamajammer76

    2025 Yamaha Snowmobile Speculation

    This. It'll just be a few Sidewinder models and maybe one Viper. I expect the re-badged 2 strokes and kids sleds to be gone. Specs will be identical to the 2024 with some "final edition" color and graphics treatments. You can dream all you want, but they are not going to invest one more penny...
  8. yamajammer76

    It’s finally over for Yamaha

    Parts will probably be available for years to come. You might have to source some things through Cat and do eBay searches, but a lot of parts will be out there. This is a different situation then if a company simply went out of business completely.
  9. yamajammer76

    It’s finally over for Yamaha

    The more I think about it the more it makes sense for Cat to source their 4 stroke engines from their parent company. Yeah I’d say considering Ski-doo, Polaris and now Cat all can source 4 strokes internally it makes no sense to buy engines from Yamaha. It’s a lot easier to engineer an engine...
  10. yamajammer76

    It’s finally over for Yamaha

    Hey I have the same sled with 5,000 miles.
  11. yamajammer76

    It’s finally over for Yamaha

    Oh so that’s you? lol I‘m actually surprised they gave that much detail in an answer on Facebook to be honest. Now that might only mean until 2025, but it was something. It also confirms Jaret pretty much runs everything including Facebook because some low level social media manager wouldn’t...
  12. yamajammer76

    It’s finally over for Yamaha

    I would agree. Cat will be focused on getting a bigger engine in the Catalyst for 2025. Anything 4 stoke will be carryover Cat-Yamaha stuff. Cat will likely have a new 4 stroke offering in 2026. What that will be? Who knows. We could speculate all day long unless we are sitting in the corporate...
  13. yamajammer76

    Yamaha done with sleds

    I don't know if the 998 is really done in snowmobiles after 2025. It's done in Yamaha branded snowmobiles, but I'd be surprised if Cat doesn't try and keep the engine supply agreement in force. It gives them something in the 4 stroke market that Ski-doo and Polaris doesn't have. Even Yamaha...
  14. yamajammer76

    It’s finally over for Yamaha

    Well it sounds like if Cat wants the engines Yamaha will still supply them. How that looks after 2025 is anyone’s guess, but it wouldn’t shock me to see Cat offer Thundercats, 9000 and 7000 series sleds after 2025. I mean there will definitely be a market for people that still want these (or...
  15. yamajammer76

    Yamaha done with sleds

    That’s probably part of it as well with the new Catalyst coming. Once they offer a full line of Catalyst models they likely will want their whole production line dedicated to their own product. Cat is in a different place today with Textron as their owner then they were in 2014 as an independent...
  16. yamajammer76

    Yamaha done with sleds

    I agree. I go out with some young guys that buy older sleds and keep them running and have a blast on them. They don't even care that much about brand. I could ride any brand and have a good time on it. Sledding should be about fun anyhow. When it's time to replace my Viper I'll just buy...
  17. yamajammer76

    It’s finally over for Yamaha

    I can't say I'm surprised, but still sad about the news. It hurts to lose another brand. Yamaha contracting Cat to build their sleds wasn't really a long term path forward. If it was a model or two, fine, but when the whole line-up was Cat it became pointless. They had no engineering left and...
  18. yamajammer76

    Yamaha done with sleds

    Resale value will take a hit, however the fact that Vipers and Sidewinders are Cats will help. Many times when a brand dies one of the things that really hurts resale is fear of long term parts and service availability. This is a different situation. The company that actually built these is...
  19. yamajammer76

    Who's going to order a 2025??

    I'd probably go for the Thundercat only because there will be a loss of resale value for a dead brand. I mean yes there will be Yamaha faithful and collector's, but for the overall mass sales market dead brands in anything mean a resale value loss. This isn't really the classic car market. Even...
  20. yamajammer76

    2025 Yamaha sled release

    Except for some very specific uses like at a ski resort or for certain commercial uses EV sleds are completely impractical. You thought a 4 stroke was heavy? Wait until you load up enough battery to go any decent distance. If the government mandates EV like they are eventually going to do for...


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