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Team Fast M20 on Apex XTX - PHASE TWO

Discussion in 'Skis, Studs, Tracks and Aftermarket Suspensions' started by Northernsledder, Mar 6, 2013.

  1. Northernsledder

    Northernsledder Paid Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    This thread covers the installation of a Team Fast M20 into my 2012 Apex XTX. It covers everything from: asking other M20 owners questions, placing the order, installation and final assembly. The M20 is offered in a 136" max length, so I removed the stock 144 Ripsaw and replaced it with a new Ripsaw II 136".

    PHASE - ONE
    Page 1 - Asking questions and placing order with Team Fast
    Page 2 - M20 and extrovert driver issue addressed, stock skid removal
    Page 3 - M20 drop bracket installation/modification
    Page 4 - M20 test fit, track change
    Page 5 - Powder coating the parts, mounting air compressor to the tunnel, final M20 assembly
    Page 6 - Pictures of the Apex with M20 and old pictures of the Vector with M10.
    Page 7
    - Confirming track and tunnel protector clearance, "Those frustrating air leaks!"
    Page 8
    - Relocation of air compressor and pressure gauge
    Page 9 - All new air lines, 12 volt dump solenoid, wiring harness, power switch, securing air line inside the tunnel
    Page 10 - Final assembly of handlebar riser, pressure gauge, throttle cable, "First ride!"
    Page 13
    - M20 installation pics on an Apex 128"

    PHASE TWO

    Page 15 - Connecting the front shocks to the air system


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    I'm happy with the performance of my Apex XTX, but the stock suspension (or lack there of) has me wondering if I should have bought the SE or standard. Since I'm already in love wtih the 151" M10 on my Vector, I'm seriously considering another Team Fast skid for the XTX, probably the M20. However, the M20 only comes in 136" max.

    Do any of you guys run Tracks USA extensions on your M20? I'd like to keep the stock track, but I would have to install 136-144 extensions. If extensions are not a good idea on the M20, I would have no problem dropping down to a 136" track.

    I'm considering the M20 because I hear it tranfers weight better than the M10. Either way, I'm at that stage in life where comfort trumps hole shot, but I still want the power for the endless railroad grades!

    Any opinions are appreciated!
     
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  3. smoothride

    smoothride Paid Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    It would be best to give team fast a call. I am sure they would be glad to answer your questions.
     
  4. yamahatd

    yamahatd TY 4 Stroke Guru

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    X2. Maybe a longer set of Fast rails would work. I think they are all the same M10/M20. Good luck and keep us posted!
     
  5. bsevigny

    bsevigny TY 4 Stroke Guru

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    I have ran 121-136 TrackUSA extensions on a 121" M-10 for four years. It has held up well.

    I run the M-10 with the Fast airshock in the rear and the Fox Zero Pro in the front. Works great.

    Bgs
     
  6. Northernsledder

    Northernsledder Paid Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    Did Fast discourage you from using extensions on their rails, or did you just put them on? I'm 95% certain I'm going to pull the trigger this summer. It will be an M20.
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2014
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  7. Northernsledder

    Northernsledder Paid Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    I've been reading older posts of guys having to trim down their extovert drivers when installing the M20. Is this true?
     
  8. Rich Kay

    Rich Kay TY 4 Stroke Guru

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    I finally jumped in and bought one and all I can say is...man am mad at myself for waiting so long to fix the only thing I did not like about my Apex! Really like it....
     
  9. smoothride

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    I would ask teamfast about moving it back so you don't have to trim them. I have 8 tooth divers in mine I have lots of clearance.
     
  10. yamahatd

    yamahatd TY 4 Stroke Guru

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    If you follow the install instructions you will definetly have to trim them. I found this out after the skid was alread in place. A multi tool worked great and I still have about a 1/2" of driver still working. The track has never racheted and I run it pretty loose. I would go for the new adjusting system when you buy. Adjusting on the fly is awesome
     
  11. Northernsledder

    Northernsledder Paid Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    I emailed Fast about using using rail extensions to make a 136" M20 into a 144". They responded and recommended not using extensions and changing my stock 144" track to a 136".
     
  12. icebreaker

    icebreaker Pro

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    Re: M20 on Apex XTX?

    I went to the star set up in my xtx and it works very well I would prefer over the M20 witch I had in a apex. The star has better weight transfer and a much better ride over the stock set up. And a hell of a lot less money. http://www.starsuspensions.com/XTXA.htm
     
  13. Northernsledder

    Northernsledder Paid Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    The trigger is pulled; I ordered a 136" M20 and Assault ski shocks for my XTX. I don't think much of the tip up rail for trail riding, so I'm dropping down to a 136" flat rail. Compared to stock, I'll actually have a few more inches of track making solid contact with the ground.

    It will be later this summer before I get around to installing it, but when I do, I'll post pics of the progress.
     
  14. yamahatd

    yamahatd TY 4 Stroke Guru

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    Congrats on the trigger pulling. Let us know if you have any trouble with the install. Pretty straight forward, and take your time....good luck!
     
  15. Rich Kay

    Rich Kay TY 4 Stroke Guru

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    I think you will pat yourself on the back after you ride it....I have the M10 121 air and love it. The 136 cant be nothing but better in alot of conditions.Was thinking of doing 136 to mine but just did not want to do all the other work needed. Give the new skid time (up to a 200 miles) just to break in, this was true with mine as the manual will say this. Go with recommended settings on your weight and go from there. Small air adjustments (2 psi) make a difference. Plus I cant say enough aout Brian in there tech department on set-up for your needs. It gave my sled a whole new feel and after getting things in the ball park with settings the sled felt like and rode like a high end sled should IMO. For my 07apex RTX that had the Pro-Action skid(old -outdated) in it the M-10 was the real fix.
    Regards, Rich.!
     
  16. Northernsledder

    Northernsledder Paid Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    Copy that! I ordered the diamond kit. It has the new air compressor that mounts on the right, rear running board. If I get along with this setup, I may order the compressor for the M10 on my Vector.
     

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