rob
Newbie
Has anyone bent spindles? I was out riding tonight and ran into a guy with a base phzer and he said he bent his too. Going to talk to the shop tomarrow about it.
phazerfly
Extreme
Two of the guys I ride with have bent spindles already, kinda seem like they're a little weak. It was on FX's.
sniperviper
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
Do you have any pics?
rob
Newbie
I have the FX.
Traildale
Extreme
I really loved this sled, until I came to the end of a field and slowed to maybe 10 mph. I was stopping before crossing a highway and was maybe 30 feet from the road, when I hit a stump under 6 inches of snow with the right ski. I pulled the handelbar out of my right hand, but didn't stop the sled. I coasted to a stop about 10 feet past the stump. Bent the crap out of the right spindle and pushed the right ski back a couple inches. The spindle is now convex when viewed from the top - the ski rolls over to the right. Jeez. I've hit stuff way worse than this on my MXZ Rev and Renegade with no damage at all. My buddy had very similar damage to his MXZ Rev last year, but that was from hitting and sheering off a 2-inch diameter tree at 75 mph.
This is pretty disappointing for a Yamaha. I am worried that the lower a-arm is probably messed up as well and those are backordered - I wonder why, duh. Come on Yamaha. Why such delicate sleds?
Post disassembly update:
The spindle is a potato chip, with compound bends.
End of the lower a-arm is pushed back 3/4 inch.
End of the top a-arm is pushed FORWARD 3/4 inch.
No visable bending of the arms, so i think the frame is tweeked. Paint flaked off the upper a-arm frame mount.
This is pretty disappointing for a Yamaha. I am worried that the lower a-arm is probably messed up as well and those are backordered - I wonder why, duh. Come on Yamaha. Why such delicate sleds?
Post disassembly update:
The spindle is a potato chip, with compound bends.
End of the lower a-arm is pushed back 3/4 inch.
End of the top a-arm is pushed FORWARD 3/4 inch.
No visable bending of the arms, so i think the frame is tweeked. Paint flaked off the upper a-arm frame mount.
NorthMinn
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In december i bent both my upper and lower spindles. I was going about 10 mph and hit the top of a culver with just the edge of the ski, it didnt even make a mark on the ski. So the left ski was pushed back about 6 inches. I waited a month for the parts and the reason that it took so long to get the new ones was because yamaha told me all the spindles that they had in stock were defective. They said that they were working on the problem. But they said that if i hit something it wasnt their fault. So i would be careful if you hit something, hopefully it was just a fluke.
NorthMinn
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In december i bent both my upper and lower spindles. I was going about 10 mph and hit the top of a culver with just the edge of the ski, it didnt even make a mark on the ski. So the left ski was pushed back about 6 inches. I waited a month for the parts and the reason that it took so long to get the new ones was because yamaha told me all the spindles that they had in stock were defective. They said that they were working on the problem. But they said that if i hit something it wasnt their fault. So i would be careful if you hit something, hopefully it was just a fluke.
Traildale said:I really loved this sled, until I came to the end of a field and slowed to maybe 10 mph. I was stopping before crossing a highway and was maybe 30 feet from the road, when I hit a stump under 6 inches of snow with the right ski. I pulled the handelbar out of my right hand, but didn't stop the sled. I coasted to a stop about 10 feet past the stump. Bent the crap out of the right spindle and pushed the right ski back a couple inches. The spindle is now convex when viewed from the top - the ski rolls over to the right. Jeez. I've hit stuff way worse than this on my MXZ Rev and Renegade with no damage at all. My buddy had very similar damage to his MXZ Rev last year, but that was from hitting and sheering off a 2-inch diameter tree at 75 mph.
This is pretty disappointing for a Yamaha. I am worried that the lower a-arm is probably messed up as well and those are backordered - I wonder why, duh. Come on Yamaha. Why such delicate sleds?
Post disassembly update:
The spindle is a potato chip, with compound bends.
End of the lower a-arm is pushed back 3/4 inch.
End of the top a-arm is pushed FORWARD 3/4 inch.
No visable bending of the arms, so i think the frame is tweeked. Paint flaked off the upper a-arm frame mount.
I have the same problem as you discribe, after hitting a rock.
Take a look at the bolts that are holding the lower arm to the frame. The rear bolt was tweeked. I ended up buying a new upper a-arm and a new bolt for the lower a-arm and now its ok.
Phazed-Coug
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yup my lower a arm sheared the bolt and tweaked the mounting point on the a-arm...
fx-treme
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same here. Had to order everything for the west, the east coast is on backorder.
Boy this is disconcerting!! Is there any fix to this problem? Bracing maybe??
Phazed-Coug
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Any pictures?
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Yes some pics would be nice. Thanks guys.
Traildale
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Here's a few pics.
Note that the spindle is supposed to be flat & striaght.
It would be nice to have some (cheap) sacrificial parts on the front end.
As it it now, everything goes at once (both a-arms, spindle, and a-arm mounts on the frame). At least Yamaha could have done something more to protect the frame.
Bump something, or land "a little off" and the a-arms and a spindle will run over $500 in parts. Take it to the dealer and the sled is out for 2 weeks and the bill will pass $700. That's not right.
In the Yamaha promo videos, all they are doing is jumping and beating on the Phazer WOT through the moguls.
I kind of doubt that a Phazer could make it through a sno-cross race without at least a $1,000 in damage each race. There is a new sno-cross class just for these sleds, is that correct?
Anybody have the phone number to call to be a Yamaha factory durability tester? I think that I could do a way better job than the 12-year-old girls that "torture tested" the Phazer.
And before anyone assumes that I ride like a Mountain Dew Commercial and says something like "Dude, you just got what you deserved for beating on the sled" I'll have to tell you all that I'm just an average mild-mannered 48-year-old accountant.
On a positive note (finally), my initial pre-buy concern was with engine life, but they appear to be really strong runners.
As an indication that this may be a issue, my replacement spindle is coming from Atlanta because the all the parts warehouses up north are out of spindles.
Note that the spindle is supposed to be flat & striaght.
It would be nice to have some (cheap) sacrificial parts on the front end.
As it it now, everything goes at once (both a-arms, spindle, and a-arm mounts on the frame). At least Yamaha could have done something more to protect the frame.
Bump something, or land "a little off" and the a-arms and a spindle will run over $500 in parts. Take it to the dealer and the sled is out for 2 weeks and the bill will pass $700. That's not right.
In the Yamaha promo videos, all they are doing is jumping and beating on the Phazer WOT through the moguls.
I kind of doubt that a Phazer could make it through a sno-cross race without at least a $1,000 in damage each race. There is a new sno-cross class just for these sleds, is that correct?
Anybody have the phone number to call to be a Yamaha factory durability tester? I think that I could do a way better job than the 12-year-old girls that "torture tested" the Phazer.
And before anyone assumes that I ride like a Mountain Dew Commercial and says something like "Dude, you just got what you deserved for beating on the sled" I'll have to tell you all that I'm just an average mild-mannered 48-year-old accountant.
On a positive note (finally), my initial pre-buy concern was with engine life, but they appear to be really strong runners.
As an indication that this may be a issue, my replacement spindle is coming from Atlanta because the all the parts warehouses up north are out of spindles.
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Traildale
Extreme
Birthday Ride.
New Rev.
Less than ONE MILE on the odometer.
20 inches of new snow in the UP on a dark night.
Dumped it in a culvert and THREW me over the bars.
Damage to my pride - too high to calculate (especially with "friends" there taking pictures)
Damage to the sled - Nothing.
I fear that the Phazer would have been bent up in this same accident.
Just my personal observation.
New Rev.
Less than ONE MILE on the odometer.
20 inches of new snow in the UP on a dark night.
Dumped it in a culvert and THREW me over the bars.
Damage to my pride - too high to calculate (especially with "friends" there taking pictures)
Damage to the sled - Nothing.
I fear that the Phazer would have been bent up in this same accident.
Just my personal observation.
