A Guy *thinks* ECP fried cylinders

I recently sold my 05 RX1. It had 1501 miles on it and ran perfectly when I put it away last spring. This fall removed the carbs and cleaned them and also raised the needles one notch (lowered clip), and readjusted the air fuel screw to 2.5 turns. Then I started it and synched the carbs. At the same time I changed oil, filter, chain case oil, cleaned clutches, adjusted track etc.... getting it ready for the up coming season. I also started the sled to put it on and off the trailer to take to the dealer for the install of 06 suspension parts. During this time I had it for sale on here. A guy purchased the sled while it was still at the dealer getting worked on. His intention was to turbo the sled. He calls me 3-4 weeks later telling me the motor was fried and the manufacturer of the turbo said it was because of the filters. According to him, cylinder 1 was holding 85 PSI, 2 and 3 were good and 4 I think he said 120. Anyway, he calls me a liar and says I knew something was wrong with the sled and that it must have been fouling plugs left and right and ran like crap. Well, I never fouled a plug until the day I started it for him at the dealer and I thought that was probably from richening up everything, choking it in a warm garage, and quick load unload running???

Anyway, he got the turbo installed and supposedly when he through the boost to it, it blew oil out all the vents. Now he wants me to pay for 1/2 the parts. I talked to my dealer and they said that he should bring it in and see if Yamaha would cover part or all under warranty. Well, to late, he already ordered all new parts. I'm am sick over the situation. The sled was at the dealer all summer because of other warantty work and I wanted it out of my garage for drywalling, painting etc... The sled was under warranty all summer, I would have had it fixed if I thought something was wrong. I guess I am posting this for a few reasons.
1. If he is correct that the filters can cause damage, then the 100's - 1000's of sleds with ECP kits better do a leak down test.
2. If 1000 people respond to this saying no problem with there sled after so many miles, and I print it, it may help me in court. This guy makes way more money than I do and will probably take me to court.

I have no idea how or what he did with the sled during the 3-4 weeks. My gut feeling is a turbo will fry a motor alot faster than a set of filters and new jets. What do you guys think?

All the guys I ride with know that I always lead the rides and i'm usually way out in front, including our last ride of the year in Antigo. And the guys on this board know I always post a question, comment or complaint on here if I have one.

I bought a Turbo, and when I put it on my sled the motor burnt-down!...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???

I have an ECP kit on my 05 RX1 and have had no problems. I currently have 1300 miles on the sled. I'm jetted at 160 mains, 2nd clip and stock pilots with the fuel screws at 2.5 turns. In addition, I run a 50hp shot of nitrous. My compression is #1 190 #2-#4 195 in each cylinder. Make sure the throttle is held wide open when cranking for compression. I've fouled several 10ek plugs from idling in the warm garage. I would say at least 10 plugs over 2 years. I've learned not to idle the sled or run too much in the warm garage. These plugs aren't cheap. I would think that the sled would have been checked over before buying it. I know I would regarless if it is an 05. Hope it works out for both of you.

4,800 miles on 2005 RX-1 with ECP kit, no peoblems.

When buying anything used, it is "Buyer Beware". You didn't sell it to him with a warrenty, therefore is none.
If he wants to take you to court, let him. It is only going to cost him more.
Before buying any used sled, the first thing I always do is a compression test. He should have too.

I have 2,200 miles on my ECP filtered Warrior no problems at all.Sounds to me like a case of detention from to much boost to me and he is tring to get you to pay half.Should be very easy to see when it is tore down what caused it.I would nicely tell him to take a flying leap.Sled sold as is I'm sure it won't be as easy as that, people like this make me sick always blameing someone else for there mistakes.Good luck man.

Yes I agree when you buy used and not off a dealer you should inspect the unit prior to paying or have a writtten agreement of some sort to take it to a third party to have things checked out. After the deal is done it is AS IS WHERE IS. It would be reasonable to ask you to pay for 1/2 the inspection but not for parts after he took it and blew it apart with a turbo on it. I would let him take me to court as he will lose and he knows it. He is just trying to scare you into paying for some of it. If the filter were melting down engines it would have surfaced long before this. He is full of poop poop. This other party is probably a member here also is he not? If he is who is it? Let us have a chat with him.

Well if Yamaha is looking into it, and they cover it under warranty, he's all set. If not, then it has no warranty and that's the end of it. Period. Don't worry about a court case unless he has a piece of paper signed by you which says you will personally extend Yamaha's warranty period and cover all costs for "x" amount of time. A used sled is just that.. used. They can blow up any time, we all know this.

Ummm, Dude this guy is blaming you for what he did. Freddie has been selling the kits for over 3 Years now and NOT ONE guy on here has fried a motor with a kit on. I once talked to Freddie and told him I might put a turbo on myself. He went nuts and screamed at me. He puts turbos on RX-1s all day long and the most important thing he stressed was that you cannot just bolt them on and go because each motor is DIFFERENT. He dyno's every sled he puts a turbo on. So this leads me to this question, who tha heck put this turbo on for him? And did you put the kit on the sled correctly like the right jets and stuff???....................Cubby

I personally believe that the guy that bought my sled is an honest man. He is 66 years old and seemed like a nice guy when I met him. He on the other hand believes me to be a liar and dishonest. I am neither. At this point I know what I know. I feel the sled was fine when I sold it to him and he feels I knew it was bad. I also don't know what he did???? He did install a turbo kit himself. I have know idea what his knowledge level is? Yes he must be a member here because he bought it from seeing it advertised here. Although after talking to him I don't think he is an active member here (posts). Anyway, I would have been willing to pay for some of the cost if I knoew for sure I caused it and he would have given me a chance. But, instead he calls me a liar, rips it apart and orders new parts. maybe we could have gotten covered by warranty if he would have given me a chance. I have an excellent relationship with my dealer and they said they would work with it. This may strain my relationship with my dealer because when he bought bought the sled it was at the dealer. They sold it to him and gave me the trade difference. So really he didn't buy it from me. I don't want my dealer to get screwed either though, but i'm sure they didn't put a warranty in writing and may have even offered him the extended warranty? The whole situation just sucks. I wish he could have put his turbo on and went out and kicked #*$&@. I was warning guys not to race and older guy with a red RX1 on lake Winnebago and was looking forward to watching it run.

Ive got over 3000 miles on my 05 with the ecp kit,original plugs (the ones that came with kit)and runs perfect.Unless you sold it with a warranty your not liable to pay anything,at least in Mi.

Its very rare to see anyone have any engine problems on here with stock engines.Now Ive seen some in the turbo and NOS forums though.

I had a simalar incident with a sea doo(jetski).I had winterized it and it ran fine previoius season.I sold it the next spring and the guy took it out a month later and ended up siezing up a cylinder and wanted me to pay for the repairs,I felt bad for him but I never gave any warranty with it.

While driving home from work with this situation eating at me I had some thoughts that generate some questions. If the darn thing wouldn't have fouled a plug when I started for him I would have no doubts. Here are some questions. He says the rings were gone in #1 and 4 was almost as bad, also the head is shot, something about valve seats. The last thing I did before taking it to the dealer to have the new 06 skid parts installed, was synch the carbs. They synched with no problem and required very little adjustment. If the motor was in such bad shape would they have synched easily? Next the sled was at the dealer getting the new skid parts, they had to put the track back on and spin it to adjust it. That was after I started it for him and it didn't fouled a plug when they did this. The dealer never said anything to me about it running bad or fouling another plug. If the motor was that bad wouldn't they have noticed it?
This is really bothering me. My wife said no way are you giving him any money. I just wish I new 150% that it was perfect when he took the sled. If I was a liar and cheat like he thinks, and I knew the motor was bad I would just be laughing in my helmet as I ride down the trail on my GT. But instead I am agonizing over deciding if I should give him some money. I am an honest person and like doing the right thing, even if I can't afford it. But then if I did give him money I would be second guessing myself if I should have or not. Sorry guys and gals, i'm just thinking out load here. What do you think would the dealer or myself notice the motor being bad with minimal run time under minimal load?

Look your wife is right. It is the other party that is being dishonest by trying to cheat some money out of you. I bet he has done this before and it has worked so he continues to try. Give him nothing and dont beat yourself up over it. It is was a done deal and still is. He is counting on your honesty to feed his dishonesty do us all a favour and dont. That way you will help stop this kind of crap from happening to others. Listen to your wife!!!!!!!

One more note this guy selling turbo's and set it up and then the engine blows up for his client would he blame his product or his workmanship right off the bat or would he look for any other possible reason first.

Ran the ECP on my '03 for over 4,000 miles and currently over 2,800 on my '05. No issues at all, NEVER EVEN FOULED A PLUG! Tell the guy to TAKE A HIKE. You didn't sell it with a warranty so what could he expect to win by sueing?