Prior to owning a procross I owned yamahas as since 1997. The procross looked like a home run so I took the plunge. When I road the procross it was by far the funniest sledder ever owned. This new viper will most liklly be as good or better with the addition of a Yamaha drive line. The procross takes the bumps and corners like a dream. It feels a lot lighter then it is.
As good as the ride was I had nothing but problems. I blew 10 belts in 1500 miles. My suspension looked like a piece of garbage. Not one wheel was good 1500 miles in. The panels fit like garbage. The hood fits like garbage. My chaincase broke. Every bolt on the spare was loose after 400 miles. The white tunnel looks like garbage after every ride especially on the break side because of brake dust.
If Yamaha does address the quality issues like fit and finish. If they don't go with yamaha jackshaft and gears. They are goimg to destroy their reputation.
As good as the ride was I had nothing but problems. I blew 10 belts in 1500 miles. My suspension looked like a piece of garbage. Not one wheel was good 1500 miles in. The panels fit like garbage. The hood fits like garbage. My chaincase broke. Every bolt on the spare was loose after 400 miles. The white tunnel looks like garbage after every ride especially on the break side because of brake dust.
If Yamaha does address the quality issues like fit and finish. If they don't go with yamaha jackshaft and gears. They are goimg to destroy their reputation.
big_red1a
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Agreed ! Cool looking, fun sled, good handling and power, but must be the worst engineering, fit and finish and quality ive seen. Sure hope Yamaha is correcting some of these issues.
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Im a apex owner and also a procross turbo owner. I am also worried about yammie with this chassis. All info seems to point to the fact yammie has helped with this chassis for 2 yrs now. And us cat guys with 12s have so many issues its hard to keep track. But the 13s never got any better, actually got worse on belts IMO for 13.
Yammie clutches will help, but be worried about the horrible chaincase, crap gears,reverse that will leave you stranded in neutral. and about a million other things.
Ive stuck with my turbo and fixed most of it out of my pocket cause cat sucks and even cat has no fixes that work. I keep it cause its the fastest thing out there and easily boosted up to 240-260hp and nothing pulls like this sled.
Lets hope yammie works the kinks out, I dont think it will be lighter then existing nytro, maybe if it is only 10 lbs or so wet. My turbo will probably be about same weight as the viper triple. But my twin ZUK motor sits way lower in chassis so it does rail and handle great. but skid is wayy too stiff, so I would get the standard version with coilovers. and hope that the viper seat is soft, cause the procross seat is like a brick!
Oh and you might as well plan on pilot skis or tuner skis, cause a single carbide ski on this chassis darts like no other, would near throw me off sled! I threw on pilot skis and darting gone.
Oh yeah., the drivers will wear out in 1200 miles, so plan on extroverts cause running a tight track to stop ratcheting wears the POS drivers out!
Fit n finish looks 100 times better on the viper then cats...cats look like they were made by a farmers wife out in the corn fields in TRF.
I would not touch a viper til 2015 to be safe, then maybe a nytro motor with Super charger by then.
Since the motor is still backwards, there is no way they will turbo that setup...but a factory Supercharger would work nicely for cat and yammie for 15.
Dan
Yammie clutches will help, but be worried about the horrible chaincase, crap gears,reverse that will leave you stranded in neutral. and about a million other things.
Ive stuck with my turbo and fixed most of it out of my pocket cause cat sucks and even cat has no fixes that work. I keep it cause its the fastest thing out there and easily boosted up to 240-260hp and nothing pulls like this sled.
Lets hope yammie works the kinks out, I dont think it will be lighter then existing nytro, maybe if it is only 10 lbs or so wet. My turbo will probably be about same weight as the viper triple. But my twin ZUK motor sits way lower in chassis so it does rail and handle great. but skid is wayy too stiff, so I would get the standard version with coilovers. and hope that the viper seat is soft, cause the procross seat is like a brick!
Oh and you might as well plan on pilot skis or tuner skis, cause a single carbide ski on this chassis darts like no other, would near throw me off sled! I threw on pilot skis and darting gone.
Oh yeah., the drivers will wear out in 1200 miles, so plan on extroverts cause running a tight track to stop ratcheting wears the POS drivers out!
Fit n finish looks 100 times better on the viper then cats...cats look like they were made by a farmers wife out in the corn fields in TRF.
I would not touch a viper til 2015 to be safe, then maybe a nytro motor with Super charger by then.
Since the motor is still backwards, there is no way they will turbo that setup...but a factory Supercharger would work nicely for cat and yammie for 15.
Dan
big_red1a
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They could add a turbo where the suitcase sits. The 3-1 header comes out up and over to the side
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ROCKERDAN said:
I don't think anyone should assume what the 2014's and beyond are going to be like based on the first two model years of the chassis. There have been lot's off issues but that doesn't mean it won't get a lot better. I'm sure it will. The Nytro motor should work well in this chassis and I'm sure it will be reliable without many of the issues the Turbo guys have had with a modded 240-280 hp Turbo in front. I think things will only get a lot better.
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Dan, very good honest post, coming from a guy who takes very good care of his equipment.
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drumz11 said:
I owned the Cat I think I know what I'm talking about. I understand you want to believe its going to get better.
I will say if it has Yamaha gears, chain and jackshaft it will be a step in the right direction. I hear Yamaha may being using different plastic. Well a different mold. That would be a big improvement as well.
One of my concerns is power. If you look at the exhaust it's going to be down on power from the nytro simply because of the restrictions in the exhaust.
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Can't wait for next year..should be good reading with all the guinea pigs getting their vipers..
We will all find out in a year or so. Cat has no choice but to do a better job IMO.
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I have a friend that actually got cat to buy his 2010 procross back. He blew belts, snapped jackshaft, belw motor, the last straw was the rear idlers broke and locked the track. He SC'd this sled and got the extended warranty so his dealer covered everything. He is a big guy and rides hard but this seemed a bit excessive. Beleive it or not he is going to SC another one this year. I would be gone.
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The quality concerns noted by jtssrx are exactly why the Viper is a concern. Sure, the Nytro motor is awesome but the rest of sled is provided by AC & the engineering & quality control is not as good as Yamaha's.
